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“We started a project trying to decode that. Farmers have now sent us pictures of well over 1,000 tags which have the variety names as well as the trade names. We then cross match all of those variety names and tell each of those members if they are paying in fact planting a duplicate or the same seed twice,” Baron says.

Does the phrase “Same seed different bag” sound familiar? It’s something that’s frustrated farmers for years. Companies selling seed under different brand names has been a common practice in the seed industry.

Labeling laws require seed companies to provide the variety identity on the seed bag tag itself. But it is different from the marketed brand name. However, it sometimes can be difficult for farmers to match which seeds are the same as others. This is a problem Charles Baron with Farmers Business Network calls Seed Relabeling.

Relabeling is something that’s irritated farmers for a very long time and turns out for a very good reason.

“We found an instance where one brand was relabeling with another in the same state, in the state of Indiana for example, but charging $60 a bag less. That was quite shocking because those farmers were effectively overpaying by almost $30 an acre once you work the math out which is a lot of money to be overpaying for the same genetics from a different branding,” Baron says.

Buck S – 2/4/2015 18:24

For corn, the breeding group at Stine is pretty meager, so it is likely a bunch of germplasm is coming from the same place the traits are coming from.

ecwis – 2/4/2015 15:01

Just had a seed salesman stop in .Told me a lot of stein corn is the same as channel.. R9313 is channel 197-31 was one example. Also Stein bean 19RA02 is the same as Asgrow1931 and Channel1900 and are quite a bit cheaper in a stein bag. Is there any validity to this. Not looking for opinions, just any factual data .. Looking for options as I haven’t purchased any seed yet. Thanks for any input .

ecwis – 2/4/2015 15:01

Just had a seed salesman stop in .Told me a lot of stein corn is the same as channel.. R9313 is channel 197-31 was one example. Also Stein bean 19RA02 is the same as Asgrow1931 and Channel1900 and are quite a bit cheaper in a stein bag. Is there any validity to this. Not looking for opinions, just any factual data .. Looking for options as I haven’t purchased any seed yet. Thanks for any input .

What is the variety code on the Stine bag for R9313. 197-31 is 1036682 and is one of the most piss poor, biggest brittle snap piece of garbage that I have ever come across. You better get a five gallon pale of ky jelly if you are gonna plant that garbage cause your gonna take it in the shorts. Hopefully the Stine guys will stand behind it for you when you are vacuuming it off the field.

“It’s not unheard of for a company to step up or drop a relative maturity,” adds Shawn Conley, a University of Wisconsin Extension agronomist. “Say they need a Group 2.6 bean to fill a hole in their lineup. “They can call a 2.2 (or a 3.0) and move it up (or down) to fill it,” he says. In the case where a later-maturing variety is moved downward, the variety can still be green when nearby soybeans with the same relative maturity are ready to harvest.

It’s easier to detect corn and soybean varieties sharing the same genetics these days, say officials for the Farmers Business Network (FBN). The San Carlos, California-based farmer-to-farmer network first published a 2017 report showing shared genetics between seed brands. It’s been updated for 2018 and can be downloaded here.

“That’s the best way to interpret any brand and its relative maturity rating,” he says.

Relative Maturity Differences

Other seed industry executives object to FBN’s relabeling terminology.

For Combs, the transparency brought by efforts like FBN’s report gives him the ability to better select seed and evaluate seed prices.

Instead, he says, Thunder Seeds buys genetics and traits from multiple suppliers. He says the firm then uses this material to produce seed that goes through a rigorous conditioning and testing process before Thunder Seeds sells it to farmers.

Still, it took some sleuthing for farmers to ferret out these kissin’ cousins of the seed world.